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~ Dan ~ · Jan 11, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by i am a princess

if they didn't want anything to happen like this then to avoid it they should learn from mistakes, if they knew 3months ago then is it right to ban people if they didn't do it in a month

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Why should anet learn from their mistakes? It is YOU who should. There was an outpost they use for testing, and you found it, congrats. You got banned, and came to guru to QQ. Stop acting like anet are crying over this as badly are you are.

leprekan · Jan 11, 2008, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

You're still screwing with the .DAT file, eh?

Please read my post again. NOBODY EVER TOUCHED ANY FILE. It was the SAME as ANY OTHER FERRY.

Jake_Steel · Jan 11, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by i am a princess

if they didn't want anything to happen like this then to avoid it they should learn from mistakes, if they knew 3months ago then is it right to ban people if they didn't do it in a month

If you commit a crime, and aren't caught untill 6 months, or a year later you are still going to be tried and, if found guilty, sentenced. Breaching a Eula, like murder, has no statute of limitations. It does not matter when you transgressed, just that you did.

Anet, apparently, is not Jesus and does not forgive.

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by I pwnd U

Why should ANet break down and give back the 117 people who explictly used the exploit? It was a breach in the EULA and worthy of a perma-ban. If Anet unbanned these 117 players it's going to give other players the idea that they can use Exploits and hacks and get away with it if they QQ enough. Anet did the right thing and people who used the exploit explictly should stay banned.

i agree with you, but then you have to understand things like this go on every day in gw and no one gets banned, but in the end it is thier game and thats all that matters.

I pwnd U · Jan 11, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by chaoticimajar

anyone need to know we didn't go straight to mallyx just a heads up we had to kill all the mobs and then kill him so an fyi if you didn't know

That doesn't really matter, those mobs take around 30 minutes for a good team to take care. That is not the grueling part. The grueling part is having to go through the other areas to even get to the area where you fight the mobs then fight Mallyx. You skipped the longest part of DoA.

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Originally Posted by rath no more

i agree with you, but then you have to understand things like this go on every day in gw and no one gets banned, but in the end it is thier game and thats all that matters.

Yes I understand that, but if ANet were to ban players everytime they used an exploit there would be hardly any players left. I am sure every single person has used an exploit in the game at one point or another. The point is IF Anet were to revert the bans more and more people would use exploits and newer and more serious ones would be found. It would be a never ending circle.

Yichi · Jan 11, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by myrealnameismatt

What's even the point of making our case here public, with the facts as we are aware of them. It seems to me that noone is even interested about what was actually going on here. Everyone has already deemed themselves judge, jury and executioner and tbh the more I read this thread the less bothered I am about losing my account. Do we really want to waste any more of our precious time on a game that is populated with people with nothing better to do than bask in the warmth of collective shadenfreuda? I only hope that one day the people who have been flaming here fall from their high marble pedastals on which they are perched and make a mistake.

The problem with you all trying to take your case public is that you are making an argument based on the fact that you abused an exploit and got caught.

Simple question that will tell you wether or not you were taking advantage of something that wasn't supposed to be there:

Where else in the game are you able to map to an outpost that will take you DIRECTLY (as in no quests, no fighting your way there, no downtime, no nothing just go and fight the end boss for your reward) to the final end area boss by pressing one button? When you can actually give an answer that isn't "None" the community might be more inclined to listen to you all.

Tom Swift · Jan 11, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by pablo24

Gaile told me not to speak about the other exploits I reported them, because it may get some people motivated to find these exploits, and then they would need to fix them T_T

lol - so they have no intention of fixing any exploit until it is used?

Let's lock the barn door after the horse is gone.

Snow Bunny · Jan 11, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

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Originally Posted by leprekan

Please read my post again. NOBODY EVER TOUCHED ANY FILE. It was the SAME as ANY OTHER FERRY.

Ok, well, ya gotta do something weird to get there. Just like duping, they had to dc and shit.

Racthoh · Jan 11, 2008, 08:38 PM // 20:38

Hack or exploit, I don't care. People who exploited the dopple bug were banned too, no hacks involved there. This is obviously a lot more serious as the economy is involved and players were acccessing an outpost that was never meant to be available through normal gameplay.

Lies or not, *shrug*. Maybe some hack to access it, maybe others didn't. End of the day it was an exploit no matter how you look at it.

lyra_song · Jan 11, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by Tom Swift

Certain exploits are allowed. working your way through the three campaigns you would quickly learn that: a run to Droks for better armor is ok. A taxi to Urgoz or the Deep is ok. A Ferry to Consulate docks for armor is ok. A ferry to LA or KC without having done the required quests is ok.

Now you come across what seems to be a ferry to Mallyx - how in the heck are you supposed to know its not ok.

Thats a good point to bring up. Ive said before, the extent of the punishment matters on HOW MANY PLAYERS DO IT, as well as the effects of the exploit.

However, Ferrying to Urgoz/Deep has always been part of the mechanic of owning a town. And once you get there you STILL have to beat the area to get the reward.

Consulate docks armor does nothing but give you max armor. You cannot SKIP anything, since the mission will not let you in.

The mallyx one lets you repeatedly beat mallyx without doing the prerequisite quests. This is a rather BIG difference with those other ferrying exploits.

IslandHermet · Jan 11, 2008, 08:40 PM // 20:40

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Originally Posted by myrealnameismatt

You have obviously never been part of that community - HA players running the same 8 skills day in day out might be considered that same way. FFF was just the activity that bought us together - there were many many people who played all aspects of the game with many maxed out titles, helping and supporting each other to become better pve'rs. There is nothing like a common goal to bring people together in the game and I for one think that our community was one of the most close-knit in the game.

useing the same bar every time does not make you a better player in fact in hinders you game play. as well as FFF all you do is 2 min runs the same way each time for however long you want to be on the only thing is you get to type but you are still doing the same thing day in and day out which does not make you a better player it makes you a bad one.

As for the community are you talking about the GW community or the Guilds and alliance communitys? and I agree that nothing is better then a common goal. but trying to put in FFF guilds as leaders of the GW world just because the own a town is a insult to all the guilds that help people be it PvE or PvP.

Tom Swift · Jan 11, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by pablo24

The exploit DOESN'T involve screwing around with the .DAT file, and for these 117 players it was probably 1 person who had a totally random buffer overflow overwriting the zoneid of some town they decided to map to. And ArenaNet had more than enough time to fix it (over 3 months).

Frankly, if Pablo says it was not a hack and could happen by accident, that settles it for me. He has almost always been right about exploits in the past.

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 08:41 PM // 20:41

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Originally Posted by Snow Bunny

Ok, well, ya gotta do something weird to get there. Just like duping, they had to dc and shit.

nope nothing strange, to obtain the town all you had to do was map to your guild hall after doimg mallys the first time. and once you hit G and leave guild hall you go to the town

Clait · Jan 11, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

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Originally Posted by SirJackassIII

Okay. So, do tell why we should believe the abuser of the exploit/hack and not ANet.
Do you have any information that may prove ANet is wrong and that guy is right? Do you have any confirmed records on how the exploit/hack was performed from any third party (not ANet, not someone who was banned)?
Is there any reason not to trust ANet?

Anet makes mistakes all the time. Fact is they will never admit being wrong, because that would call their credibility into question. However, its human nature to make mistakes. Someone who says "I never make a mistake" is not only lying to others, but sadly to themself. that kind of behavior still calls their credibility into question.

Several people have already described how the trick was done. The mechanics of the Mallyx trick is no different then ferrying someone from your guild hall to Urgoz. Whats the point of posting it another time, if people are not willing to read it the first time?

rath no more · Jan 11, 2008, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Yes I understand that, but if ANet were to ban players everytime they used an exploit there would be hardly any players left. I am sure every single person has used an exploit in the game at one point or another. The point is IF Anet were to revert the bans more and more people would use exploits and newer and more serious ones would be found. It would be a never ending circle.[/QUOTE]

yup the maj woulda been alot safer if this thing had gone public. but shiznit happens right? lol

leprekan · Jan 11, 2008, 08:43 PM // 20:43

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Originally Posted by pablo24

The exploit DOESN'T involve screwing around with the .DAT file, and for these 117 players it was probably 1 person who had a totally random buffer overflow overwriting the zoneid of some town they decided to map to. And ArenaNet had more than enough time to fix it (over 3 months).

Please click link and read my post .. hate when people are uninformed. Nothing had to be done to be able to ferry there. Just all four quests complete then map to gh after entering mallyx. AKA a standard FERRY used throughout the game.

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...242767&page=43

truzo 117 · Jan 11, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

Also i bet there are people who acidently found the town and never told a sole who are now banned. its a carpet FTL

chaoticimajar · Jan 11, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by rath no more

Yes I understand that, but if ANet were to ban players everytime they used an exploit there would be hardly any players left. I am sure every single person has used an exploit in the game at one point or another. The point is IF Anet were to revert the bans more and more people would use exploits and newer and more serious ones would be found. It would be a never ending circle.

yup the maj woulda been alot safer if this thing had gone public. but shiznit happens right? lol[/QUOTE] not everyone in game has used one they don't hear about them because people try not to let them leak out

myrealnameismatt · Jan 11, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Yichi

The problem with you all trying to take your case public is that you are making an argument based on the fact that you abused an exploit and got caught.

Simple question that will tell you wether or not you were taking advantage of something that wasn't supposed to be there:

Where else in the game are you able to map to an outpost that will take you DIRECTLY (as in no quests, no fighting your way there, no downtime, no nothing just go and fight the end boss for your reward) to the final end area boss by pressing one button? When you can actually give an answer that isn't "None" the community might be more inclined to listen to you all.

^^ not none m8 - did you hear about the duncan glitch that literaly 10's of thousands of people were running in and out. Different story there wasn't it?

Yichi · Jan 11, 2008, 08:44 PM // 20:44

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Originally Posted by Clait

The mechanics of the Mallyx trick is no different then ferrying someone from your guild hall to Urgoz.

While the mechanical aspect of it is the same, the outpost is not. One is a legit outpost that every player can access. One is an outpost that was only ever ment for developer access. So these are equal again how???